Bitter Coder - Architecture Chat #32

Monday, August 18, 2008

Architecture Chat #32

Here's the write-up for Architecture Chat #32 (from Thursday 7^th August 2008) ... some of the things we discussed:

Jabl / Jass (Javascript abstraction language) - we discussed this approach of writing languages that transform into another language - the tradeoffs of debug experience vs. productivity etc.
Debug experiences in DSL's and in particular the lack of support in these language rewriting/transformation projects.
The magic bullet language i.e. two-way debugging experience, language independent refactoring support, modular/pluggable language support (sorta like Boo).
Code camp at the end of this month.
Self explaining code / blaming code (i.e. code that can explain the decisions it makes in english, or at least identify the blame (i.e. steps) that lead to the result it selected. Though we didn't bring it up, I quite like the way Rhino Security does this.
xUnit thoughts after a month of using it on a commercial project.
Ice ZeroC - WCF alternative?
Sql Server partitioned tables, and the simpler query plans / improvements in 2008.

See the wiki for write up's of previous chats, thanks to all those who attended.

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posted @ Monday, August 18, 2008 6:22:54 AM (New Zealand Standard Time, UTC+12:00) Comments [4] | Trackback |

Monday, August 18, 2008 9:47:11 AM (New Zealand Standard Time, UTC+12:00)

Alex

Any more comments on the ICE thing? It looks SO like the CORBA I was using in, um, 2000/2001. Like, identical to it.

Any more comments on it?

Cheers

N

Nic Wise

Monday, August 18, 2008 11:19:37 AM (New Zealand Standard Time, UTC+12:00)

To be honest Nic I haven't had much of a chance to crack it open - unsurprisingly it was PeterB who brought it up - I too have a history with Corba, back in my C++ days when open source corba frameworks were all the rage with Turbo C++ if you wanted to do RPC (albeit mostly because the socket libraries that were available were pretty arcane, so it often saved you some time) - not sure if Peter's used it yet, will ask him if turns up this Friday.

On the surface it does look a lot like Corba from the interface definition point of view, though it looks like their interface definitions aren't as fugly as Corba's IDL.

I don't like the initial smell of RPC that it seems to have though :)

Alex Henderson

Monday, August 18, 2008 12:22:19 PM (New Zealand Standard Time, UTC+12:00)

Oh, come on. CORBA IDL wasn't that ugly......

oh, hang on. It was. Urgh. Give me crossplatform WCF any day!

Nic Wise

Monday, August 18, 2008 7:58:19 PM (New Zealand Standard Time, UTC+12:00)

Yeah - WCF is definitely easier, though custom bindings can be unwieldy at times.

REST piggy backed off of an MVC framework is my current approach to cross-platform glue (alas WCF on Mono is pretty much unusable at the moment) been doing it for my current project, which is what prompted me having to write an open source OAuth library for .Net as well.

Alex Henderson

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